The Sunday Interview: He Saw Palantir’s AI Pick Targets in Gaza. Now It’s Coming to the US.
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Summary
Palantir’s AI is helping decide who gets targeted in Gaza, and the same technology is already in use by US police and ICE. This week, Brad Onishi talks with Jacob Sprang, a humanitarian worker who spent about 18 months in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. He also worked in Sudan and Ukraine, and he sat on the executive committee of the INGO Forum and the Humanitarian Country Team.
Chapters (approximate)
00:00 Intro: Palantir, Lavender, and the Israeli military
04:00 Spring’s background in humanitarian work
06:00 What AI targeting looks like on the ground
08:50 How a point-based system flags people
12:40 COGAT’s three categories of “Hamas”
15:20 Taking the human out of the decision
17:50 “AI slop” as human slop
19:50 Geo-fenced SMS warnings and Maven
24:40 Data as the price of aid
29:10 The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
38:40 Planned communities and manufactured scarcity
43:20 Why Spring came home
50:00 Palantir, ICE, and surveillance in the US
56:50 NSPM-7, “domestic enemies,” and the shrinking protected class
1:00:00 Closing thoughts
Guest
Jacob Sprang is a humanitarian worker. He is writing about his experiences on Substack. https://substack.com/@jakesprang
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