Brad begin with an analytical discussion of political nihilism in order to provide a window into the chaos in congress created by the ouster of Speaker Kevin McCarthy. They then provide a historical timeline of government shutdowns and congressional chaos going back to the Tea Party. For Dan, this is a long time coming – a populist revolt with no goal except for destruction. For Brad, it is a matter of political fantasy and the refusal to live in a world of political complexity, negotiation, and disagreement.

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